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28 May, 2012
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The fuel fill on my Wahoo! (quite possibly the original) is shot. Actually a lot of the deck hardware could stand replacing, but the fuel fill in particular is cracked and broken. So I bought a replacement. To remove the original, I accessed and removed the hose clamps that secure it to the fuel fill hose via an access port on the port side. Problem is the fuel fill hose is more or less “melded” onto the fuel fill tube. So coming at it from a different direction, I removed the hose clamps that secure the fuel fill hose to the gas tank itself. But again, that hose connection wouldn’t budge, and no amount of twisting, pulling, or prying made any difference.
So it looks like I’m going to have to cut the hose off (using a box cutter or similar device). Which of course will ruin it, although I’m sure it’s best practice is to replace the hose any time you replace the fuel fill anyway. One last thing I’ll try before cutting is to apply some heat (e.g., wrap the hose in a towel that’s been dipped in boiling water). I’ll report back how that goes.
Added 6/9/12
Well. I finally got the old fuel fill line off. But it was not easy. In fact it was a bitch. I basically had to saw it off bit by bit with a sharp knife (a box cutter it turned out was too short handled to do the job). Cutting the hose through the small five inch entry port was hard enough, with me all the while wondering if metal against metal could cause enough spark to ignite fumes from the tank. But then to further complicate things it turned out that A) fuel fill lines include an embedded spiral of wire that you need to cut through, and, B) as my brother-in-law Russ had predicted, the material of the old fuel fill line had more or less melded over time onto the neck coming from the tank: meaning in fact there was no way I could ever have twisted it off. It had to be cut free. A brute force solution. And man did it fight to maintain that relationship, aided and encouraged by the embedded wire coil, down to the last quarter inch of line. With boats in salt water, nothing is easy. A dremel tool with a cutting wheel probably could have freed the hose in under a minute, but IMO it’d be just too easy to raise sparks or cut too deep.
Lessons Learned: Things I’ll know if and when I next replace a fuel fill:
1. Assume you’ll also have to replace the fuel fill hose, so order that as well.
2. The replacement fuel fill will probably not come with a gasket. So pick up one of those. Also, depending on the shape they’re in, you may want to replace the clamps that secure the fuel fill hose. Inspect everything before ordering your parts.
3. To remove the fill and hose (and assuming that removing the clamps and twisting the hose does not work), cut a vertical slice out of the hose where it covers the neck from the fuel tank. Use a good serrated knife or a small pistol grip saw. Be careful not to cut into the neck. then you can work the hose off. You may also need pliers to pull out pieces of embedded wire you cut exposes.
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Did you replace the line with exact replacement and where did you find? Replacing mine has been on my list of things to do.
Thanks, Eric
And knew it couldn’t possibly be as easy as it looks to replace.
-Eric
I replaced it with standard 1.5 inch fuel fill hose I bought online at Overton’s (which has free shipping at the moment). The specs if you’re interested:
Part # 23640 Type A2 Hardwall Fuel Fill Hose; 1-1/2″ SAE J1527 Fuel Hose, per foot $10.99
Replaced my fuel fill last week after I dropped the cap into Boston Harbor and couldn’t find a replacement. So much harder than I thought it would be. I went with a stainless deck fill, looks great on my ’88 16.2 Twin!
Hi Matt. Great to hear from a Wahoo! owner who shares my home waters. I went with the black nylon. It was either that or the stainless like you chose. I’ve found that in the salt chrome-plated hardware blisters too fast and then it looks like crap.
Mike,
The Wahoo! is a great Harbor boat. I am out in Houghs Neck and it does a great job in Quincy/Hingham Bay. I went with the stainless deck fill because that is what west marine had handy. It was the day before I was going out and those flounder aren’t going to catch themselves. I hose down my boat after each use, so hopefully that will prolong its prettiness.
Where do you go in the harbor?
Matt
Matt, I’m in Nahant so most of my boating is in Broad Sound between Nahant and Winthrop. I actually have yet to take the Wahoo! into Boston Harbor itself. I’ve fished the harbor a lot in other people’s boats and know the currents and chop can get pretty big in places. Do you take your boat into the middle harbor islands at all (say, around Lovells or Peddocks). If so, what’s your comfort level given the size of your boat? I was thinking it might be fun to take the kids camping on Peddocks it the Wahoo! is up for it.
Mike,
I Peddocks is less than 5 minutes from me so it isn’t bad at all. There sometimes there is a good chop between the East and West Gut during ebb and flood tide. You also have to contend with ferries and some large boat wakes, but it really hasn’t been too bad. The farthest I have been is Lovells Island which was pretty calm and I trolled Point Allerton last weekend. I wouldn’t make the trip from Nahant on a busy summer day because the boat traffic can make it feel like you are in a washing machine, but mid-week with calm winds and seas it wouldn’t be an issue. I don’t mind the rough ride on weekends, but I also don’t have any kids on board. I have not ventured into Boston Harbor proper though, but really want to go through the locks and cruise the Charles.
As for camping, it looks like every weekend is booked on the islands due to Peddocks being closed for maintenance this year.
I just inherited my grandfathers 1987 Wahoo 16′ split console.. He’s too old to mantain so I have recently spent about 10 hours stripping and cleaning.. One major problem is the fuel cell is leaking into the hull. That was what I was told, after reading this post I’m wondering if it’s just this fuel fill line..?? Any thoughts?
@”I just inherited my grandfathers 1987 Wahoo 16′ split console.. He’s too old to mantain so I have recently spent about 10 hours stripping and cleaning.. One major problem is the fuel cell is leaking into the hull. That was what I was told, after reading this post I’m wondering if it’s just this fuel fill line..?? Any thoughts?”
Hey Mike (man there’s a lot of Mikes on this site!). So sorry, just saw this post of yours. Not sure what you mean by fuel cell. Do you mean the fuel tank? If the tank is leaking, that’s a big problem and it needs to be replaced. Like today. You don’t want gas fumes in your hull. Major cosmetic surgery as it involves cutting out the seat. But cost-wise it might not be that bad and the replacement tank should last the life of the boat. The only time the fuel fill line could leak gas into the hull would be when you’re fueling the boat. Even then it’s not too likely. If you really have fuel in your hull, I doubt the line is your problem. Much more likely a leaking tank. But I’m no expert. I’d try posting your question on The Hull Truth. For the best responses, provide as much info as you can.
Mike,
Did you ever get any info. I too have an 87 16.2 I never trusted the tank from time I bought boat used, previous owner seized engine and boat sat for years so I assumed tank full of bad gas and varnish. I am considering cutting tank out, so if you have info keep me posted.
Hi plecofish. A reader of the site emailed me that he’s actually in the process of replacing his fuel tanks and has offered to take pics and do a write up of the process. So stay turned. Feel free to email me directly for more details.
Morning, i was filling up yesterday in my 16.5 twin and only got about 8 gallons in before it started spewing.it hold 14/15 gals.. How do i fix this? Do i blow air in the vent?
ohoffman, let me ask the obvious question…are you sure that the tank was actually empty? That’s the first thing I’d wonder/suspect…that the tank was not empty and (assuming that you determined it was by looking at the gauge) that either the gauge was faulty or the float in the tank was stuck.
Definitely not full. Now it spews the gas right out as if there is an air pocket keeping the gas from entering. As soon as I put weight on the other side of the boat, a big air bubble erupts out of the fill hole and gas goes everywhere and also down. I am not sure where to start.
Could there be gas trapped in the vent, causing a block? If i force air in through the top of the vent where overflow comes out, pushing whatever is in the vent back into the tank, maybe that will solve the issue?
I’ve never heard of air “trapped” in a gas tank. Fuel tanks are pretty simple units, basally not much different than an external tank, just mounted inside. Only two things that I can think of giving what you described: 1) your vent (including the tube is blocked), or 2) something loose in the tank is floating up and blocking the fill once it reaches a certain level (like a cork that’s been forced into a wine bottle). Neither of these seems super likely but I’m not sure what else it could be. I’d start by ensuring that the vent is free of obstructions and functioning properly.